RUSSIA COMMITING GENOCIDE IN UKRAINE BUT ISRAEL IS NOT? NONSENSE!! OWEN JONES & PIERS MORGAN
November 27, 2023In a highly-charged interview on Piers Morgan Uncensored, socialist commentator Owen Jones challenges Piers on his belief that the actions by Israel in Gaza and on its population does not fall within the definition of “genocide”. dDrawing parallels between the illegal bombings in Ukraine by Russia, Owen refutes Piers and claims if what Russia is doing in Ukraine has universally been declared as genocide, how could Israel’s actions, which are substantially worse with a massive death toll in a fraction of the time, be considered anything BUT GENOCIDE?
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English Script:
Piers: In my estimation, they are qualitatively different. What Hamas publicly, what is it doing is genocide. What Israel is doing is not genocide.
Owen: There is a difference between what is…you could say both Israel and Hamas have engaged in genocidal and murderous rhetoric. I’ll give you an example. Yes they are.
Piers: No, no you can’t.
Owen: Benjamin Netanyahu… I can’t? Is it uncensored or not?
Piers: Yes.
Owen: Let me quote. Let me quote what the the Israeli authorities have said. Benjamin Netanyahu when he quoted ِAmalek, the scriptures. What does Amalek say? he quotes Amalek when they attacked the Israelites and what God told the Israelites to do was to destroy every… kill every man, woman, child and livestock. If I would put it to you, an Islamist leader was quoting a similarly genocidal passage from the Koran.
You would not i would say hesitate…No, we haven’t finished. you’ve had a lot… I’m going to respond just quickly. Israeli officials said that Gaza will end up being a city of tents with no building standing. That they are attacking the damage, not for accuracy. The agriculture minister, Avi Dichter, he said “we are rolling out a new Nakba”. A Nakba is the mass expulsion.
700,000 Palestinians in 1948. This is why hundreds of genocide scholars, people who are actually, unlike you and I, experts in the field of genocide studies, fear that a genocide is taking place. The difference between Israel and Hamas is that Hamas does not have the capacity to wipe out Israel. Israel is wiping Gaza off the map.
Piers: Israel could, if they wanted to, kill everyone in Gaza, they decided not to do that.
يمكن لإسرائيل، إذا أرادت، أن تقتل كل شخص في غزة، لكنها قررت عدم القيام بذلك.
Owen: So is your definition…
إذًا تعريفك…
Piers: Genocide is where you want to kill everybody.
الإبادة الجماعية هي عندما تقتل الجميع.
Owen: Sorry, your definition of genocide… because in Ukraine, Vladimir Putin hasn’t killed every last Ukrainian. That simply not happened. No, he hasn’t. Nor has he stated his intention to do so, nor as brutal and barbaric…
Piers: Actually, sorry Vladimir Putin absolutely, by illegally invading a sovereign country and indiscriminately bombing anything in front of him…
Owen: indiscriminately bombing?
Piers: is waging a form of genocide.
Owen:Wow. Indiscriminate bombing Gaza. More than two Hiroshima bombs’ worth have been dropped on East London in the space of five.
Piers: Okay. Let me ask you…
Owen: No, no, no, no, no, no.
Owen: You said Ukraine. No i’m going to have to put this to you.
Piers: Okay.
Owen: 15,000 people have now been killed, now by the Israeli estimate in Gaza, one in every 200 people in Gaza have now been killed.
Piers: If you were to adjust for population in Ukraine, that would be 300,000 Ukrainian civilians. 300,000. There’s been a terrible death toll, it is estimated by the UN. 10,000 civilians have been killed since February last year. In the space of five weeks, the country with a much, much smaller population has had a death toll higher officially than that in Ukraine.
How cam it be that you call that genocide. but when you have nearly half the entire civilian death toll of the Bosnian war in a country which is twice the size in terms of population, Why isn’t that genocide Piers?
