Dr Ashrawi on CNN warns World Government
November 3, 2023One of the most respected Palestinian politicians and peace negotiator, Dr Hanan Ashrawi, who I have been following and have reported on when I was covering the Middle East crisis in the 1990s, castigates Israel’s brutal response to the Oct 7 Hamas attacks during her interview with CNN’s Christiane Amanpour, a former Middle East correspondent and TV anchor.
Dr Ashrawi reveals how Israel has dropped more than 18,000 tonnes of explosives on Gaza since the start of the war, which is greater than the force dropped on Hiroshima that ended WWII.
Amanpour questioned Dr Ashrawi’s comment that Israel is deliberately targeting civilian sites such as the Jabalia Refugee Camp in Gaza, and that the US Administration is cautioning them to use all measures to avoid civilian casualties. Dr Ashrawi responded warning all world leaders and countries supporting Israel’s unrelenting attack to be very careful as they would be considered as colluding with Israel in the act of genocide being witnessed by billions of people all over the globe.
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Dr Ashrawi on CNN
00:00:00:00 – 00:00:29:04
(CNN reporter) Joining me now from Ramallah in the occupied West Bank is the longtime Palestinian politician and peace negotiator, Hanan Ashrawi. Hanan Ashrawi, welcome to our program. So can I ask you first, please, to comment on the news that is flooding social media with terrible pictures and what we’ve heard from a doctor in Gaza close to the Jabalya camp?
(Dr. Hanan) Yeah, that’s just absolutely heartbreaking.
00:00:29:04 – 00:00:59:11
(Dr. Hanan)It’s unconscionable. Six massive bombs were exploded on a refugee camp in the most densely populated refugee camp and the most densely populated area in the world. And the death toll is not known yet. Some people say, you know, 400, 500 and so on. But you cannot tell because the whole several buildings have been turned into rubble. A whole block of side by side buildings have been totally destroyed.
00:00:59:13 – 00:01:31:27
(Dr. Hanan) People are looking for them. People are looking for bodies that are getting out just pieces and arms and so on, of children, of women. These were people who were in their homes and who were shelled and bombed so brutally, so deliberately, so systematically. Till now, Israel has exploded 18,000 tons of explosives on Gaza, and that is more than the Hiroshima bomb.
00:01:31:28 – 00:02:04:12
(Dr. Hanan) So what’s happening now is just another escalation and a brutal massacre and a genocide that is ongoing and that the whole world is seeing and is unable to do anything about it because it’s Israel that’s doing it. And it is a massive traumatic experience for all Palestinians because it is reminiscent to a larger degree of the Nakba, of the disaster that befell the Palestinians when Israel was created, as a result of a series of massacres and dispossession and expulsion.
00:02:04:14 – 00:02:42:29
(CNN reporter) Hanan, you said deliberately, the Israelis have said quite categorically that they do their best to go after military targets. The United States has urged them publicly over and over again to abide by international law. And you just heard what just before news of this broke in general on Capitol Hill, Lloyd Austin was being asked questions. You just heard him say that these operations have to be done carefully because, into aliyah, it will cause generations of blowback, generations of radicalization, bitterness against Israel and whoever else.
00:02:43:02 – 00:03:13:07
(CNN reporter) Can you talk to us about that?
( Dr. Hanan) Yes, absolutely. Because when he talked about we, we have to be careful about what we’re doing and when you use the first person, plural, of course, you are in collusion with Israel that is committing war crimes and crimes against humanity and genocide. So you’ll be very careful how you’re advising, sending money, sending weapons and being partnered with Israel in this crime.
00:03:13:10 – 00:03:43:09
(Dr. Hanan) So, yes, I think what happened to the Palestinians in 1947- 48 is still remembered in the collective and singular memory of every Palestinian, the massacres aren’t forgotten, Dar Yassin, Kafar Qasim, Tantoura, we remember the 500 villages that were destroyed, ethnically cleansed and so on. We all remember them. So in the collective memory of Palestinians under occupation or in exile or under Israeli apartheid, we all remember.
00:03:43:09 – 00:04:21:14
(Dr. Hanan) And that’s why when Israel had the chance to make peace, it should have been very grateful that the Palestinians reached out to make peace. Instead, they maintained that ethnic cleansing, they maintained land confiscation, building more settlements and actually victimizing the Palestinians in every possible way with full impunity. And now with this on Gaza, it is just so horrific, so unbelievable, so unconscionable that every single Palestinian and not just Palestinian, every single person with just an iota of humanity, is shaken to the core.
00:04:21:21 – 00:05:02:29
(Dr. Hanan) We see the hundreds of thousands of people protesting, marching in Western countries and everywhere in the world because everybody sees what Israel is doing, not targeting individuals or targeting leaders, but mass massacring Palestinians in a slaughter that is just aimed at killing families, women and children and we have seen, look this is close to 9000 now Palestinians that Israel has killed, 3500 of them children, babies, infants, toddlers and 2700 women.
00:05:03:01 – 00:05:37:11
(Dr. Hanan) Are these fighters, are these Hamas leaders? It’s unbelievable. And yet it is still ongoing. So I’m saying that if you believe the Israeli version of reality, you have lost touch with reality. Israel is doing this in plain sight, and it must be stopped. It’s the impunity and the partnership with the West that still treats Israel as a protege, as an extension of its colonial powers, as an extension of its colonial supremacy, white supremacy.
00:05:37:14 – 00:05:58:25
(Dr. Hanan)This is what emboldened Israel and this is what led Israel to believe that it can do whatever it wants to the Palestinians and get away with it. Now, look at what it’s doing also to the West Bank.
(CNN reporter) I was going to get to that Hanan. I was going to get to that. But first, just to be clear about Lloyd Austin, he was actually talking about American involvement in Iraq and elsewhere and the blowback.
00:05:59:01 – 00:06:22:13
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(CNN reporter) That just to be clear about what his sound bite was about.
(Dr. Hanan) But that certainly involved, Christiane.
(CNN reporter) But I’m just clarifying. I’m just clarifying. I and I hear what you’re saying. I’m just clarifying. But I want to pick you up on the West Bank, because President Biden has also said to the Israeli government they have to be careful of what’s happening on the West Bank.
00:06:22:13 – 00:06:53:22
(CNN reporter) So from you, I want to know, because he said this settler violence has to stop and people have to be held accountable. And so, too, has the national Security adviser, Jake Sullivan. So what is the situation there? We know there’s been an uptick in deaths of Palestinians and attacks by settlers since October 7th.
(Dr. Hanan) Yeah, well, since October 7th, they’ve killed 125 Palestinians they’ve wounded over 1500 and more.
00:06:53:25 – 00:07:19:13
(Dr. Hanan) And they’re carrying out and this was done by the settlers and the army, both. And there were incursions and bombings and shelling in refugee camps also in the West Bank. But what’s happening here is that with this government, I mean, look, all along, Israel has been systematically stealing land, building more settlements, demolishing Palestinian homes, daily killing Palestinians with extrajudicial executions in the West Bank.
00:07:19:15 – 00:07:43:21
(Dr. Hanan) But now with this latest fascist government where you brought in the bank veers and small riches of this world who are known as not just settlers, but as terrorists within the Israeli system, they are now decision makers. They are arming the settlers, they are unleashing them on Palestinians. Now we have the olive picking season and they’re going around shooting people, picking their olives.
00:07:43:21 – 00:08:13:29
(Dr. Hanan) They are stealing olive harvest, destroying the olive trees. They are burning people’s homes. I mean, they’re terrorizing everybody and they’re getting away with it because not once was the settler ever held to account again. So when you have lawlessness and impunity for a state, you absorb it internally and you have lawlessness and impunity within that state. The West Bank is undergoing a serious ethnic cleansing annexation program, which has to be stopped immediately.
00:08:14:01 – 00:08:53:24
(CNN reporter)Can I ask you something? 1400 Israelis were massacred on October 7th, and it turns out that all these pollings show that the Palestinians in Gaza, in fact, do not subscribe to Hamas, the majority of them anyway. And I don’t know about on the West Bank, but what is the option other than defeating Hamas, which is against your political agenda against the recognized Palestinian Authorities political agenda has never done anything for the people of Palestine.
00:08:53:29 – 00:09:26:12
(CNN reporter) What would you say is the alternative?
(Dr. Hanan) Well, I think we had an active peace, we had an international engagement to curb Israeli violations and Israeli violence and so on, then that’s the only way, not just to curb Hamas, but to bring about a logic of peace and coexistence. Instead, as I said, Israel was allowed to maintain its impunity and its violence.
00:09:26:14 – 00:09:52:22
(Dr. Hanan) You know that Gaza was bombed five times before this latest thing. It is not revenge that they keep bombing Gaza. They killed thousands before. Gaza is a massive prison. Now, they were held without food, without water, without medicine, without fuel, without anything. These are massive crimes that are allowed to take place. So if we continue with more of the same, you’re going to get more of the same.
00:09:52:23 – 00:10:24:20
(Dr. Hanan) You’re going to breed more resentment, more anger, hostility, more revenge. The only way Israel can have any sort of security is as the Palestinians have their rights. That’s the only way to be able to have security within the region and peace and beyond. But so long as Israel acts without any restraints or constraints of accountability and with full cruelty with the dehumanization and demonization of the Palestinians, feeling that it can do anything it wants to them and get away with it, there will not be peace.
00:10:24:22 – 00:10:48:05
(Dr. Hanan) So they have to understand, deal with the core issues, deal with the occupation itself, deal with the apartheid system, understand that Palestinians have equal rights, that Palestinians have the right to their freedom, their dignity, their sovereignty on their own land, and then you will have peace. But so long as you think you can keep killing and massacring and shooting and destroying, you’re going to have peace? Never.
00:10:48:08 – 00:10:56:27
(Dr. Hanan)That’s the wrong approach to do it. That’s a sure recipe for having more carnage and more bloodshed.
(CNN reporter) Hanan Ashrawi, thank you very much for being with us.
